How do you find a good church …
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On our ‘Ask the Pastor’ site I often receive inquiries? about how to find a good family church to attend. This can be a difficult issue? since there are all kinds of churches, all kinds of denominations,? all kinds of sectarian groups, not to mention groups that are cultic in nature.
This does not mean that there aren’t many good family churches around. Actually there are a great many more good churches around than there are the not-so-good churches.?
When I speak of a not-so-good churches, I am not addressing groups that are known cults.? In every denomination and in? every non-denominational setting you will find good churches and? not-so-good churches.? Often what determines the difference in these two groups will be the pulpit ministry of the group.?
Here is? a short? list on what to look for? in finding a good church home:
(1) Avoid? churches that carry in them an elitist? or superior attitude towards other? Christians. These? churches are? often sectarian in nature. (Sectarians are? intolerant of the views of others.)
(2) Avoid? denominations that speak of their denomination as God’s? true church in the earth. Jesus said that His kingdom is not of this world. Jesus did not come to give us a better religion. He came to give us Hmself. You will find true Christians in all Christ-honoring churches, including those who are not-so-good.
(3) Look for a church that is generous in heart towards other Christians, who rejoice when other Church groups prosper, and who see? their own church as only one part of the greater body of Christ.
Why is this important? Because Jesus gave us a sign that will always be the mark of His people — “By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” (Jn13:35) Christian love is not sectarian. It is? shared by all true believers.
(4)? Avoid churches where the pulpit dominates the conscience of? members.? Fear preaching? and pulpit intimidation are trademarks of not-so-good churches. This is where the? pastor is pretty much the? sole prophet-spokesman for God, never to be questioned.
(5) Seek that? healthy church where? Bible believing, Bible-teaching,? and? being able to question and discuss doctrinal teachings in a open manner are? important to that church. Open and honest dialogue? is a key to spiritual growth.
(6) Avoid churches that are excessively emotional? in nature. Emotionalism should never be seen as? a? sign of spirituality or of maturity. Oftentime? it is? just the opposite. While we do? rejoice in our emotions, the greater sign of spiritual depth will? be a? quietness of spirit.
When Peter spoke of our spiritual adornment he said it was, “the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.” (1Pe3:4)
Then we hear this from the prophet Isaiah, “And the work of righteousness will be peace, and the service of righteousness, quietness and confidence forever.” (Is32:17)
(7) Find a church where respect of? personal family life is? central to the leadership.? No pastor should become over-familiar with any family in the church.? This being over-familiar can cause the? break down of a? family.? (Nuff said.)
While the above seven? points are generic, they are good things to consider.
Perhaps I should go to say that the nature of a local church is pretty much set by the tone of the pulpit ministry. Where you find a humble, Spirit-led pastor in the pulpit, you will find those kinds of folk in the pews. When you find arrogance in the pulpit, guess what?
Let’s move on a bit. In my devotion this morning, one Scripture? caught my eye. It was where David said, “If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do? (Ps11:3)
I? immediately thought of what the? Paul said about our foundation in Christ. What he said can be applied to both good and not-so-good church groups. Listen to the apostle:
“For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man’s work will be become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work.
“If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.” (1Co3:11-15)
Paul is? addressing teachers of God’s word. Gold, silver, and precious stones, represent the? wonderful doctrines of Christ that build up our faith walk with Him.? Wood, hay and straw represent those? teachings that are not true to the doctrines of Christ, and will not stand up under the fires of life or under the judgment of God.
Notice carefully where Paul places the salvation of these teachers. Their salvation is based on one central factor — The foundation of Jesus Christ and the work of the cross.
This is where we need to see a Messianic prophecy — God says through Isaiah, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, a costly cornerstone for the foundation firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed.” (Is28:16)
The foundation of Jesus Christ is firmly placed. How we build up our lives on the foundation is another manner. God’s people need to make sure they are building their lives on the? ‘gold, silver, and precious stones’ doctrines of Christ.
Need I say more?
Well, where do I go from here. Not a whole lot on the home front. Nathan came by yesterday afternoon to spend time with us. He is one busy fellow. In fact Nathan and Jeff are leaving today for a seminar in Baton Rouge. David Stellwagon is our minister for this evening.
I really need to brag (in an humble way) on David and Kathy. I married this couple quite a few years ago. As a young couple they spent twelve years on the? mission fields in Japan where the Lord gave them three fine sons.
David is an ordained minister with Christian Challenge. He is an excellent Bible teacher. But it wasn’t always that way. When Nathan first met David it was at Louisiana College. David was in his days of rebellion, wore black, and gave Nathan the jibbies.
Of course the Lord had a plan for his life that David wasn’t aware of at the time. The short side is that David returned to the Lord with a true heart of faith and has continued his journey of life as a true disciple of Jesus. As one of his rewards, the Lord God gave David a beautiful wife.
How do I know that Kathy came from the Lord? Glad you asked. Proverbs 19:14 says, “House and wealth are an inheritance from fathers, but a prudent wife is from the Lord.”
Kathy is a good wife. She was willing to leave her people to travel as a young bride to a land that would be totally foreign to anything she had ever known. Yes, Kathy is a good wife.
But we have lots of families like that at Christian Challenge. Every church has them. These kind of folk are the heart of any ministry.
Looking forward to this evening’s service. I’ve never heard David teach anything without it going right to the heart of Bible faith.?
Time to close out.
Talk with you later.
? Buddy
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With the greatest amount of humbleness I would like to comment just a small bit more on your #6, (I agree with all the others, and this one too, to a point. You said,”(6) Avoid churches that are excessively emotional in nature. Emotionalism should never be seen as a sign of spirituality or of maturity. Oftentime it is just the opposite. While we do rejoice in our emotions, the greater sign of spiritual depth will be a quietness of spirit.” It is my habit to try and never say never. I can assure you that I have been in very emotional churches, and church meetings where the spirit of quietness and the love of God was so great that it put me on my face. The outward praise, emotional, and “in spirit and truth” gave the little extra push that was needed for the peace that can only come from our Lord. So while emotional outbursts for the sake of shouting, I call it hound dog preaching, is not what I would look for, if the spirit of God desires us to sing and dance, then I say sing and dance your love for God to the fullest. In some very mature churches, with a great deal of love for each other, all of the saints, and especially of our Lord what would seem “extreme” emotion happens quite often. It’s the “look at me worship” group I would avoid, and sometimes it takes 2 or 3 visits to determine if that is what is happening. If it is, move on, I guarantee God has the right church for you!
May Jesus love and keep you all!
Robert Palmer
Robert,
I used the term “EXCESSIVELY emotional” for a reason. We? all express our worship differently. But when you have churches who continually push the people’s emotions to an excess, this is not a good thing. The Bible teaches ‘moderation’ in all things.
The list I gave was generic. Each point pretty much connects with the whole.
As for singing and dancing this depends on the church tradition. It is not something we should insist on in a church that doesn’t practice that form or worship. Every church tradition should be respected for their form of worship.
Thanks for writing.
Buddy
Dear Bro Buddy,
Thank you for this message. I am learning much. But the “Responses” are too small for me to read. Is there a way for me to enlarge the text so I can read it? Thank you again.
Dina Saenz
Hello Bro. Buddy,
I don’t know if you remeber me or not. I was Rose Hilton and married Larry Bruce. I remember when you and Sis. Betty came to our church in Leesville. I stumbled upon your web site and I have enjoyed it so much. Some of your insights to questions that I have wanted to ask for so long has been so refreshing and uplifting.
It is so hard to believe that your children are grown with families of their own. I know that you are so proud of them.
I was sorry to learn that you have been ill, but sounds like you are on the road to recovery. God is really so good.
We still attend the Leesville Pentecostal Church. I am really struggling with some of the so called “standard” issues. I truly love my church family, but some things I realize now are just not in scriptures. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but I just can’t agree with some things. My prayer daily is that I make the right decisions. I wear my jewelry and make-up, so I am not allowed to participate in too much, but that is o.k. Please pray for us that we will always do the Lord’s will.
Please tell Sis. Betty that I said “hello”.
Much love and prayers,
Rose
Dina,
Wish I knew what to tell you about enlarging the ‘responses.’ My computer has a button on the lower right where I can do a couple of enlargements. Surely someone closer at hand can help you with this. (I’m not to swift on computer know how.)
You are most welcome for the message.
Blessings,
Buddy
Hi Rose,
Your name is very familiar. When I ask Betty about you, she remembers you very well. Guess if I had a picture my memory would trigger. But I do remember Larry. His mom and dad were our good friends.
You said: “I remember when you and Sis. Betty came to our church in Leesville.”
Boy, was that ever years ago. We left Leesville in 1969 to pastor our first church.
Rose: “I stumbled upon your web site and I have enjoyed it so much. Some of your insights to questions that I have wanted to ask for so long has been so refreshing and uplifting.”
Thank you for sharing this. I have a special forum that you may like to look at. Go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DepartingUPC/
Please drop me a line at Buddy@ChristianChallenge.Org. Would love to hear from you.
Rose: “It is so hard to believe that your children are grown with families of their own. I know that you are so proud of them.”
Yes, I am very proud of my kids. We now have ten grand children.
Rose: “I was sorry to learn that you have been ill, but sounds like you are on the road to recovery. God is really so good.”
I’m over the hump on my treatments. I really feel good most all the time. Just a bit of weakness if I overdo things.
You probably know Cullen Ray Carver. His my mom’s brother. He and Lavern came for a visit not long ago. Cullen has always been my favorite uncle.
Also saw Brother Green not long ago. Lots of water under the bridge since the Leesville days. I do have found memories of the church family there.
Rose: “I wear my jewelry and make-up, so I am not allowed to participate in too much, but that is o.k. Please pray for us that we will always do the Lord’s will.”
We will pray for the Lord’s will be fulfilled in your life.
Thanks Rose. It was so good to hear from you. Hope to hear from you again, real soon.
In Christ,
Buddy
BROTHER BUDDY I ENJOYED YOUR LIST OF WAYS TO FIND A GOOD CHURCH. HOW IRONIC YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT GOLD AND SILVER BROTHER DAVID TALKED ABOUT THAT IN HIS PREACHING. ABOUT THE ALTER AND BURNING INCENSE AND GOLD. I LOVE YOU
Hi Chris,
I thoroughly enjoyed David’s ministry last evening. Love his calm way of sharing. He also has great insights into his subject on offering ’strange fire.’
That young man who led the worship did an awesome job. What a blessing to know that he is only sixteen years old.
Thanks for letting me know about my article on finding a good church. It seems to be making its rounds.
Love you sis,
Buddy